Plato, Laws 660d

ἀναγκαῖον δʼ ἐνίοτέ ἐστιν. ἐπειδὴ δὲ ταῦτα συνδοκεῖ καὶ σοί, φέρε, φῂς παρʼ ὑμῖν καὶ τοῖσδε μᾶλλον ἢ παρὰ τοῖς ἄλλοις Ἕλλησιν γίγνεσθαι τὰ τοιαῦτα; τί μήν; τί δʼ εἰ καὶ παρὰ τοῖς ἄλλοις γίγνοιθʼ οὕτω; πότερον αὐτὰ καλλιόνως οὕτως εἶναι φαῖμεν ἂν ἢ καθάπερ νῦν γίγνεται γιγνόμενα; πολύ που τὸ διαφέρον, εἰ καθάπερ παρά τε τοῖσδε καὶ παρʼ ἡμῖν, καὶ ἔτι καθάπερ εἶπες σὺ νυνδὴ δεῖν εἶναι, γίγνοιτο. φέρε δή, συνομολογησώμεθα τὰ νῦν. ἄλλο τι παρʼ

and the Lacedaemonians than among the other Greeks? Certainly. Suppose now that they were to become general among the rest also,—should we say that the method of procedure then would be better than it is now? The improvement would be immense, if things were done as they are in my country and in that of our friends here, and as, moreover, you yourself said just now they ought to be done. Come now, let us come to an understanding on this matter. In all